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Updated the Originals Section in Period Knives with New Pictures

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 on: June 19, 2017, 12:55:28 PM 
Started by Frank Graves - Last post by Frank Graves
There is a particularly in depth cover article about the Collier flintlock revolvers in the current issue of Arms Heritage Magazine (  The known serial numbers of all three types are revealed along with the progress of finding out who exactly made them as Elisha Collier was only the one holding the patent and was not the maker.  At this point, there are only 50+ examples worldwide with many of them being in museums.  It would appear that only a few more than 200 total were originally made.

What is to follow is a book or major article on these guns and their American patentee once any new information is added to what is known.

 on: May 27, 2017, 10:47:10 AM 
Started by Navy Six - Last post by Navy Six
Posted this on another site but what the heck:
These are the types of things you do when you're retired and my wife is away visiting her family(I didn't want to go) for Memorial Day. Had a bunch of wool wads already punched out(36 & 44 for the cap&ball pistols) and a bunch of Gatofeo's lube recipe previously mixed up and decided to put them together.  After fishing the wads out of the melted lube(and burning my hands) and letting them cool, I decided to count them. Surprised to find 836 .44s and 835 .36s. How's that for close work? Remember I'm retired and you happily do dumb things like counting wads--it sure beats working or visiting the relatives. I went to put them away and discovered I had already done a few thousand so todays production got added to the inventory. This will help fullfill my retirement goal of shooting so much I am going to wear out a bunch of guns!! Hope everyone has a wonderful Memorial Day!!

 on: May 03, 2017, 01:37:50 PM 
Started by Navy Six - Last post by Navy Six
Last week I mentioned the results I got with a Uberti 62 Pocket Navy. Basically, a cut down Colt SAA mainspring and Slix Shot nipples solved my problem. Trying the same approach with a Uberti 49 Pocket, I installed a similar mainspring but did't have another set of Slix Sots handy--you have to turn down the shoulder diameter a bit on the Slix Shots to fit the Pocket cylinders. Shooting a load of 13grs 3F Olde Enysford, .323 round ball & Rem #10 caps, I had one cap suck after another for 15 rounds along with one failure of the cap to fire. Kicking myself for not waiting to procure the Slix Shots and curious about the one failure to fire, I glanced at the now empty cylinder. With the hammer down it appeared there was a more than normal gap between the hammer face and nipple. I backed each nipple out about one turn and tried again. Surprisingly, I fired this thing for 20 more rounds without the slightist issue! I am at a loss to explain this. Did the apparently excessive gap, prior to turning out the stock Uberti nipples, give the exploded cap a "running start" at blowing back the hammer?
 The other surprise was how this thing shot. At 8 yards both windage & elevation were right on the money and I was able to get about a 3 in. group. Thats about as good as I can shoot this thing with that tiny front sight. I still plan to install either Tresso or Slix Shot nipples, but at least now I have two Pocket Models that actually work.

 on: April 29, 2017, 02:43:55 PM 
Started by Navy Six - Last post by Navy Six
Posted this on another site but thought it might be of interest. Bought a Uberti Pocket Navy and 49 Pocket  new last year. Mainspring on both were so weak that I was getting hammer blowback when simply setting off caps! Much worse when actually firing a load. I had done the usual before firing--installed Slix Shot nipples, cleaned up hammer face, Rem#10 caps, actions cleaned up, etc. I ordered two new mainsprings but they were exactly like the originals. Long story short, I took a stock Colt SAA mainspring, which was much heavier, and after trimming a little off each end it fit the Pocket Navy perfectly. Hammer pull was a bit heavier but not bad and same for the trigger pull. Went to the range and fired 25 rounds, result being one slight hammer blowback(round #20) and a partial cap suck(round#22). By that time the hammer face was pretty fouled and that might have caused the glitch. Either way I can live with the improvement. Seems like the current stock Uberti springs are not strong enough for reliable functioning. Had a similar pair of Uberti Pockets 20 years ago and didn't have any issues. Now, gotta do the same to the 49 Pocket

 on: April 29, 2017, 01:43:18 AM 
Started by Eric N. - Last post by Eric N.
I have had this gun for about a year now.I got it from Old South.Put about 50 rounds thrue it I have been using 30gr  of Pyrodex with a .454 balls.  What a joy to shoot . At 10 yards with a 2 hand hold not on the bags,it shoots in side of 2 inches at exact POI. Mine has the old 1860 Army cylinder. I have been thinking about some using some Triple 7 FFFG in it. That sounds like fun. I have a CCW,so I take out,just for the heck of it.  It never has misfired ,or had a cap jam,yet  At the range, it gets a lot of looks.  What a fun gun to shoot! Would make one heck of a bedside gun! Just a note, they make a 1851 Navy Model too.  My next gun {Navy} in ,36 cal.

 on: February 24, 2017, 05:05:11 PM 
Started by Frank Graves - Last post by Jaxenro
Definitely alright and appreciated

 on: February 24, 2017, 03:32:49 PM 
Started by Frank Graves - Last post by Frank Graves

I know this is a Percussion Revolver site, but I think it interesting for us to look at a revolver, not a percussion one, but the one that was the immediate predecessor and of direct influence.  It is known that a young Samuel Colt saw a Collier Flintlock Revolver while he was on a sea voyage.  The Elisha H. Collier of Boston patented them in England in 1818 after he apparently decided it would be better for him to patent it and market it there.  He was a protégé of Artemus Wheeler of Boston, who had a prior patent for a revolving long arm that was actually tested by the U. S. Navy at that same time.

Colt refined the hand revolved system that he saw in the Collier revolver by devising and patenting the automatic revolution of the cylinder by the cocking of the hammer of the revolver as we know it today.  One of these is in the Colt Collection in Hartford.

Some later Collier revolvers were converted to and made as true percussion guns.  The company that actually made the Colliers is not yet known today as Collier was an inventor, not a maker.  Still a very important gun in the study of the Percussion Revolver.  Collier revolvers were made as pistols and long guns.

There are only 50+ Colliers of all configurations known, and less than 2 dozen exist today of the example pictured here. 

I hope that it will be alright for us to have a little departure from picturing percussion revolvers since this one was so important to their development.

 on: February 12, 2017, 05:07:29 PM 
Started by Jaxenro - Last post by Jaxenro
We just hit 300 members not the most active group but I never expected it to go this high

 on: January 29, 2017, 02:45:40 PM 
Started by Jaxenro - Last post by Jaxenro
Thank you most of my descriptions are from auctions and it is good when they are corrected

 on: January 29, 2017, 08:38:32 AM 
Started by Jaxenro - Last post by jbw13
Would not call this a Beaumont, its a 1851 Adams self cocking revolver

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